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. president obama's first offer fiscal cliff, higher taxes, new spending and power over the debt spending. and offered by tim geithner who had tax problems in the past and today president obama is it at a toy factory campaigning for new taxes on the rich. and joining us is julia. >> hi. stuart: how are you. >> i'm great. stuart: i can't believe that you, as a regular american, want to do this to america, do you? >> i think it's because-- i don't think that this is exactly what what's going to happen. stuart: you don't think that the president will actually do this. >> no, no, i think the president has learned to negotiate. what the president would do, he would start with sort of half a loaf and negotiate and give the republicans about 75% of what they wanted. i think he's finally understood if you want to actually get to at least halfway, you have to start at extremes and meet halfway. republicans have done this all along. stuart: you agree with me, if this plan, anything like it from the president, were imposed on the economy at this time it would lead to recession. >> i think that the p
are out of work. 46 million are on food stamps. we're $16 trillion in debt. >> it is really clear from what we've seen so far. >> you agree with barber. have president obama's policies helped you? let's really help the middle class. vote against barber and obama. >> jennifer: okay. so this was a campaign ad and the campaign ad was financed by this saudi-led oil lobby group. how can a saudi-led foreign entity fund a campaign commercial in america? >> well, the citizens united decision in 2010 opened significant loopholes for these tiepts of problems -- these types of problems. essentially, everyone talks about super pacs. most of them -- most super pacs are funded by individuals. but citizens united also enabled trade associations which historically have been fund and led by foreigners on to act as a campaign committee. the only difference is that trade associations don't have to disclose during the election. so a lot of foreign -- >> jennifer: so it is even worse than what you would find from a corporation giving
by folding the debt ceiling into fiscal cliff talks. take a listen. >> obama: congress, in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year i will not play that game. >> jennifer: fortunately for us "newsweek" "daily beast" special correspondent michael tomasky is always up for playing political games himself. he's joining us from washington d.c. thanks for coming back inside "the war room." >> it is always my pleasure, governor. >> jennifer: always a pleasure to have you. so let me talk about this debt ceiling issue. because really, as we look at it really the only leverage that republicans have on the fiscal cliff talks they proceed to be with the debt limit right? so today the treasury department ups the ante by endorsing republican senator mitch mcconnell's summer 2011 provision which you know, he suggested and it effectively lets t
. the president obama would like to ask for a blank check to add as much to the national debt as president obama sees fit. in the meantime, we are expecting to hear from nancy pelosi. each side is speaking out every night and every day. moments ago, speaker of the house john boehner said this. >> the white house spent three weeks trying to develop a proposal. they call for $1.6 trillion in new taxes. calling for not even $400 billion in cuts, and they want to have this extra spending that is actually greater than the amount that we would cut. i mean, it is not a serious proposal. so right now we are almost nowhere. megyn: alan colmes and lars larson are with us now. let's just focus on this debt ceiling. the reason we find ourselves about to go off the fiscal cliff with the automatic spending cuts, in part is because back in 2011, they wanted to raise the debt ceiling and the republicans said you cannot do it unless we do spending cuts. we cannot just do deficit spending. so they agree, they cut this deal, now the democrats are going to the republicans and saying, forget that. let's just in the
obama's flip flop on his philosophy there when it comes to raising the debt ceiling. he certainly condemned president bush in those years of raising the debt ceiling, and then look at where he's taken this cufnlt he's taken us into a state of bankruptcy with his changed idea on it being a good thing to raise the debt ceiling. a very scary proposal was recently revealed by geithner essentially saying let the president have free rein on raising the debt ceiling to whatever level he wants. that's a very scary thought because barack obama is a socialist. he believes in socialis socialin redistributing wealth, in confiscating hard-earned dollars of our small businessmen and women so that they cannot reinvest their dollars and hire more people and grow and expand. instead, he believes in these failed socialist policies and i say that not to personally condemn our president, but i say it because i face reality, and i see what's going on, and i see the path that we are on and the fact that barack obama has not had a budget in the four years that he's been in office and not been worried ab
obama's reckless deficits and his reckless debt. they were elected to stop the explosive growth of government. the republicans were elected and sent to washington to fight for limited government, balanced budgets, and of course, greater liberty for all the american people. at this moment it seems like they are only offering a democratic light version for america. maybe they need to learn a thing or two from president obama. maybe they need to show a willingness to go over the so-called fiscal cliff. now, if the president really wants to take the country there, maybe they need to let him go there. here's the bottom line. what are we hearing from the white house? we're hearing the president will not negotiate unless taxes are raised on job creators, and we're hearing that the president now wants to seize control of the debt ceiling from congress. well, that means rather than needing the approval of the house was the senate to raise the nation's spending limit, president barack obama wants to do this all by his lonesome, a blank check. >> if congress in any way suggests that they'r
student loan debt is held by the government. >> dana: president obama made it more so. he took out private lending last year. we have kids that want college experience. the big college experience. they finished. they can't find jobs. unemployment rate is 40% area. they can't find jobs and they can't pay back the student loans. when it's all to this point and so bad, the government usually will come in and bail everybody out. so then you have no incentive to pay it anyway. >> eric: they said the pel program will go i away or be trashed. we found out today the pel program, obama is bringing it back. 18 semesters now down to 12. he is cutting the program. >> andrea: are you surprised? >> eric: no. the other thing about the student debacle is the universities are taking advantage. we have not learned anything from fre freddie and fannie but the universities have. if they have a government to say we'll make the cheap credit readily available you don't to pay back, what are they doing? they will hike up our tuition every year. the history of bubbles is an entry call course, i believe, but they a
they are offering is not new. it's the sail debt pl-- same de plan president obama had in the american jobs act. it's not a new stimulus it is something that has been on the table for over a year. >> something should a political price be paid in order for congress to do its job to make sure the united states of america pays its bills and does not default for the first time in history is deeply irresponsible. it was deeply irresponsible in the summer of 2011 and would be deeply irresponsible if we were to see that kind of approach taken again. >> oo there were whispers there was a deal coming together. the white house says they are ready to compromise but republicans need to ask the wealthiest americans to pay higher tax rates. >> the fiscal cliff deal, charles krauthammer is talking about it. he calls it quote insulting. >> it's not just a bad deal. what geithner offers on the street robert e. lee was offered easier terms and he lost the civil war. democrats won by 3 percent of the voeft and they did not hold the house. republicans won the house. this is not the condition of surrender but that's wh
to believe that. >> sean: so we're about to hit this debt ceiling. 16.3 trillion, and at the time in 2008 when obama's running, he says it's irresponsible to take a credit card in the name of our kids to the bank of china. we have to pay that money back. now it's 16.3. they're running out of money once again, so republicans are saying all right, we've got to eat our spinach, we've got to eat our broccoli. we've got to study, turn off the tv, turn off the video games and do our homework. is that as appealing as democrats saying free health care, free day care, we'll redistribute the wealth. i mean, it seems like there's a battle for the heart and soul of the country. where does america come down, and where was america traditionally? >> well, first let's address president obama's flip flop on his philosophy there when it comes to raising the debt ceiling. he certainly condemned president bush in those years of raising the debt ceiling, and then look at where he's taken this cufnlt he's taken us into a state of bankruptcy with his changed idea on it being a good thing to raise the debt ceili
. the obama team wants tax hikes now, promises of entitlement reform later and we just ignore the debt. that is the fiscal cliff deal that may be shaping up. it looks like the fiscal deal of the day. joining us now is tres knippa and i want to know from you, do you think we got this right? that the kind of deal you think may emerge? >> that is the kind of deal that may emerge but let's remember something here. what we need to have we need to have the deadline be tomorrow because people's behavior is motivated by incentives. how do you incentivize a politician? how do you disincentive buys them? if the politicians in washington right now make a deal today they are going to be viewed as selling out their constituents. what they have to do is they have to do lot of grandstanding, we tried so hard so they're going to take it to the eleventh hour, fifty-nine minutes at the very end and say we had to capitulate on this area or that area because they don't want to appear that they caved in too early so we just have to play this waiting game and we have to have more press conferences and emerg
that is not a very good argument. it is long past time to get rid of the debt ceiling and the modified mcconnell/obama plan is as good a way as any to do it. it gives lawmakers a way it avoid a fiscal cliff or fiscal curve. it can end flirtations with fiscal suicide. that the lawrence o'donnell. read my work at wonkblog.com. "the ed show" is up next. >>> good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" from new york. republicans say they're laughing at president obama's fiscal cliff offer. i'll show you how they're really crying. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> there are no shortage of pens in the white house. and i carry one around for an emergency just in case, waiting for a chance to use it to sign this bill so people's taxes don't go up. >> the adult in the room continues his campaign to cut taxes for the middle class, and john boehner keeps shooting spit balls. >> it was not a serious proposal. >> tonight the latest on the stalemate and the democrats' upper hand. mitch mcconnell gets downright ridiculous with his demands to weaken medicare. one of th
will play. >> reporter: president obama today, in washington, assured business executives he'll reject attempts to link the fiscal cliff budget negotiations to future increases in the nation's debt ceiling. "the new york times" reported republicans might accept higher tax rates on wealthier americans to avoid triggering tax hikes for everyone. in return, they'd demand greater spending cuts next year before raising the federal borrowing limit. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which, by the way, we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game because we've got to... we've got to break that habit before it starts. >> reporter: the 2011 standoff between the president and republicans led the nation to the brink of national default. standard and poor's even lowered its rating on u.s. government bonds. now, the president has proposed he be given authority to raise the debt ceiling without congressional action. hou
the structural spending reforms in place that we need to address the debt, the debt, almost doubled under this administration, under president obama. and that has to be a part of this. that is where the republicans are insisting that we have a spending cuts and entitlement reforms that will got america on the right track moving forward. jenna: congresswoman, such a big topic. we only brushed the surface of it. we look forward to having you back to talk more about it. thank you so much. >> thank you. jon: right now a potentially explosive new development in the trayvon martin shooting case. lawyers for george zimmerman, releasing this photo. it shows the accused shooter with a bloody nose taken on the night of the deadly shooting. zimmerman as you might recall faces second-degree murder charges in the death of this man, 17-year-old trayvon martin. zimmerman claims he shot the teen in self-defense during a violent struggle and martin inflicted the bloody nose. does this change the arc of this case? let's talk about it with lose we will, fox news analyst and crystal panich a criminal defense
. >> eric: i can't tell you how many shows i stayed until 11:59, live show for the debt creeling to hit or the government to shut down. government would shut down, 19:55 they fixed it. obama is say nothing, i need more. boehner is saying we are further than we have ever been. >> they know where they will meet in the middle. >> dana: i think they are farther apart than ever, actually. >> eric: you do? >> dana: i do. does it show you wouldn't -- >> kimberly: absolutely not. >> kimberly: bolling is the last to leigh the building and first to enter. maybe he doesn't leave at all. >> screaming headlines on fox news.com. this is not a game. clearly frustrated. you must be good in chess. you two steps ahead of everybody, what you just diagnosed. i manual you're good. the president is also playing -- >> bob: can suck up. >> brian: i usually wait for the breaks. but i just do things that threw me a little bit. the president would not go to hawaii if the deal is not done. he has the deal. that the republicans will sign. >> dana: if they were able to go, the east wing said we are going to hawaii,
have to love that it is friday. i am melissa francis. lori: i am lori rothman. president obama giving his pitch for the fiscal cliff. when will the rhetoric give way to a real action on our debt crisis. juan williams on when a deal can happen. melissa: how would you like to pay more at the pump? we have the new talk about raising the gas tax. what a great idea. lori: i love paying over four dollars a gallon. washington not the only one that cannot get a deal done. entering day 76. its small business that is really on then ice. melissa: time now for stocks as we do every 15 minutes. lauren simonetti. washington is playing politics over the fiscal cliff. we are near session lows right now. >> 11 points away from session lows. the dow is clinging onto that level right now. consumer discretionary is your best performing sector this month. it is lower today, as is technology. the s&p 500 trying to hang onto a monthly gain. not sure if we can do it. certainly higher for the week and nasdaq higher for the both of them. a two-day chart of yelled is really interesting. they expect fourth-quart
percent. people can't afford to pay off their debt especially if they are out of a job. >> the problem is the federal government owns these loans so the taxpayers foot the bill. it is a bailout we heard president obama talk about capping those interest rates that are going up. they have doubled in many circumstances. they could tax them. they could for give those interest rates all together or they have seen talked about for giving some of these students loans that exist out there today. because 93 percent of all student loans in the last year were issued by the government you are talking about taxpayers ofrnt hook for this. as it goes away we are all paying for it. this is a huge problem in this country nearly a trillion dollars in outstanding student debt right now. 956 billion on the table. >> so what is the solution? >> they certainly -- -- the president has talked about interest rates are a big problem right now. record survey shows more than 50 percent of 18 to 24-year-olds are moving into their parents when they grad kuwauate college. they have capped the interest rates for give
debt limit talks early next year. yesterday at a business round table of ceos president obama took a hard line warning his opponents not to consider this strategy. >> if congress in any way suggests they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last ye year, i will not play that game. >> i wonder. the president is saying, steve, that, you know what? we can raise rates now and maybe lower them later, next year, so republicans are now saying we'll raise rates now. maybe we'll lower them later and talk about it during debt ceiling. now he is saying no we're not going to talk about it then either. when would we have this debate, when we are renaming post offices in july? i mean -- >> clarify something for people that are watching. republicans are talking about raising taxes on the rich. john boehner said that yesterday. we're just not talking about raising the top marginal rate. right? >> right. >> both sides are now talking about
a little bit of revenue. of course, president obama is saying a million conciliatory things. here comes john boehner deciding he's going to draw a line again. >> without spending cuts and in title reforms it's impossible to address our country's debt crisis and get our economy going again and to grow jobs. right now all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. >> cenk: there he goes again spending cuts, enexcitement reform. we'll get to entitlement reform in a minute. they are huffing and puffing and laughing in tim geithner's face today. based on some articles that i have read, this morning i tweeted out: there is the unknown ones, how much are they going to increase taxes. i predicted 37-38% and capitol gains 20%-22%. i don't have definitive numbers for you sos i got it right but i read this today: >> cenk: now do you understand that? the clinton era rates are 39.5 wear. all along, president obama was saying
president obama, the biggest whopper is the one about his reckless spending spree. as would be president mitt romney tells it, i will lead us out of this debt and spending inferno. >> oh, come on. really? >> stephanie: how did that go for you, mittens? government -- so here's the graph. government spend -- would you like the fun facts? >> government spending under obama including his stimulus bill is rising at 1.4% annualized pace slower than at any time in four years. >> how outrageous. >> stephanie: look. >> that's very visual. >> stephanie: everybody look. >> see the chart? >> those poor radio people. >> stephanie: as compared to reagan 8.7%. reagan '86-'89. bush two the second term i'm talking about 8.1%. 1.4% is where obama is. >> spending, spend spend! >> outrageous! >> i won't spend that. boehner is flabbergasted. i'm really flabbergasted! >> stephanie: did you see mitch mcconnell said he burst out laughing at the president's proposal. somebody sent me a picture of a galapagos turtle. >> i
. >> this president, i think the president with president obama he's a small minded president in big times. he is talking about 35 verses 39.6 for people who make over a million dollars. that doesn't get us out of debt. >> both sides will be taking their plan to the public this week they will meet with governors for state business he's meeting with the governors today. john boehner will be with governors plus conduct rallies with small business owners. we don't know if these two sides are going to reach an agreement any time soon and the fiscal cliff is past approaching. >> thank you very much. we are going to keep with the fiscal cliff and take a look at who is talking. charles krauthammer weighing in on the negotiations. the approach on the president and democrats didn't about the economy at all but rather about politics. >> i am not serious at all about entitlements. the president himself said that's where the money is. on social security he denied there is any effect on the deficit at all. durbin said social security hasn't added a dime to the deficit. in 2012 it added $160 billion of debt
a revenue problem. it has a spending problem. and under this administration, under president obama, we have seen record deficits and a record debt accumulate and yet he keeps demanding that we raise taxes in order to pay for more spending. this will only hurt our economy, ernston young has done an analysis of the president's proposal. and said that it would cost 700,000 jobs, at a time when our economy continues to struggle. there's a better way and the speaker has laid it out. it is an approach that calls for tax refoach. -- reform. by reforming the tax code and passing responsible spending cuts in order to get our fiscal house in order. that's what america wants. this is our opportunity to do the big things. this is our moment to provide that leadership that america desperately wants. and we stand here ready to take the action necessary. >> american people are hurting right now and now is the moment where we need to step up to the plate and solve the problem. i don't know how any of us can look our kids and grandkids in the eye and explain to them that we're not willing to pay for the thi
has an obligation to steer us away from the fiscal cliff and to tackle our $16 trillion debt that is driven by runaway entitlement programs. we have seen an utter lack of leadership from president obama and his allies on the left have shown very little to no willingness to tackle real structural entitlement reform. there is no manner of tax hike that can save medicare or medicaid. these programs can only be fixed with real reforms. some on the left say tinkering around the edges of medicare and medicaid would be enough, or that the healthcare law is entitlement reform. they argue we do not need to examine the structural problems. make no mistake about it. shoring up medicare and medicaid will not be easy. the situation has become so severe, it is the only responsible course to take. in just over a decade medicare will be bankrupt. medicare beneficiaries receive $3 in benefits for every $1 they pay into the system. that is while 10,000 more americans join this program every day. the number of workers supporting it has declined by over 18% over the last decade. the average fami
debt, huge taxes, overwhelming pension problems, which they have a very hard time dealing with. voting overwhelmingly for president obama. california had like 20 points for the obama team. why not ask for the help? we help you, now you help us. it is implicit in the election. megyn: detroit has a jobless rate of 18.9% in october. can you imagine that? the population has plunged by 25% over the last decade. 30,000 homes stand vacant in that city. even if we wanted to bail them out, could you even put a price tag on our? >> no, you could not. they have no money left. they are right on the edge of bankruptcy. megyn: this is a long time coming. this isn't necessarily caused by the wall street meltdown. >> in 1964, it was the most important manufacturing sector in the world. it has been downhill since then. a bailout actually wouldn't really help them. they may be kicking the can for six months, but it essentially doesn't help. megyn: the notion that someone else needs to fix the problem -- somebody other than us needs to fix the problem. the city council of detroit, which is what they have
leadership after president obama's opening bid. the president wants $1.6 trillion in new taxes, $50 billion in new stimulus spending, and expanded powers for the president to raise the federal debt limit without getting any approval from congress. a senior house gop source calls the president's plan, quote, absurd. and provides a 6-point explanation to back it up. is the economy headed for that fiscal cliff? is all of this negotiating dead in the water? let's bring in our panel. monica crowley, radio talk show host and author of monomemo.com. jewelry roginsky former political advisor to senator frank lautenberg of new jersey. both fox news contributors. you say the president is not interested in compromise at all? >> no. i have just wrote a whole book about this called, what the bleep just happened. i traced first four years of his presidency. anytime he proposed a economic proposal or physical proposal it contained the exact same elements, which is tax hikes, more spending, not less, no entitlement reform and pushing up the debt limit as far and as fast as possible. this should come as no
with president obama is he is a small-pinded president in big times . he talk about 35-39 that doesn't get us out of debt. >> that is tough rhetoric for senator lindd say graham. the president will meet with governors and representatives of big business to discuss the plan and house speaker jone boehner will meet with the governors and plans to conduct rallies with small business owners and not sure when they will sit down and talk again. >> steve: thank you very much, kelley. we heard there are a number of democrats willing to jump off of the cliff schumer to name one. the white house is telling democrat reporters that the president is not eager to but he is willing to go off of the cliff if the republicans don't agree to raising income tax rates. >> gretchen: that is not surprising. on the show, basically all of the cuts that are coming january 1st are part of the dnc platform except for raising taxes on the middle class which would be $2000 per family under $250,000 income. why would this be a smart thing to do. because january when congress is back in session and they have a few more democrat
to the edge of the fiscal cliff. and house republicans had harsh words for president obama after he released a budget proposal suggesting more taxes, more spending. >> he wants the power to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval and they cannot issue an edict like a monarchy, congress, congress, congress is in charge of the purse. the government has gone wild. >> dave: in that congressman's words has they become a monarchy, explaining from texas, congressman poe. >> good morning, dave. >> dave: how has this administration become like a monarchy? >> well, the president in his proposal basically said, turn everything over to me, give me the power or let me take the power to raise the debt ceiling, that seems to be quite arrogant on his part and if he's serious about it, they be what he's really saying is, i want to spend more money. that's how i want to solve the fiscal cliff problem, is spending more taxpayer money. so, the president doesn't have the authority to raise the debt ceiling, he shouldn't have the authority. congress, as you all mentioned earlier is in charge of the
the case is today. president obama extended them for two years. i wish he hadn't but he did. why? because it was the price he paid for getting the debt ceiling increase and for extending unemployment benefits for millions of americans. well now everything has changed. now we can -- we simply can no longer afford welfare for the rich. it is handing millionaires and billionaires a great big fat like $150,000 check a year. we can't afford it. we don't have the money. peter, as you pointed out, this is the number one issue in the election. the president made it clear at every appearance. if you want tax cuts, if you want the wealthiest of americans to pay a little more in taxes their fair share vote for me. if you want to give them a free ride, vote for romney. it's over. this issue has been decided. john boehner total total joke. i think the president -- i mean should just reject this thing out of hand and say we would rather have -- okay, here's my vote. do you agree? 1-866-55-press. my vote is no deal. no deal
illuminate what's going on right now? >> well, they started out last year when they were working on the debt ceiling, and they had what are calledded the merlot and nicorette's meetings. in other words, boehner would have a merlot, and obama would chew nicorette. >> you point outside in the book somehow when they took the official photo, both of those vanished. >> yes. they had iced tea there for obama. of course, boehner had his seg represent, and they put the cigarette in the ashtray away for the picture, but they have not closed the deal on the personal relations, and that's a shame. i think if somebody, instead of sponsoring your breakfast and all, sponsor a weekly dinner between obama and boehner and everyone would agree to pay for it and let them just talk and get to know each other and see, you know, it's -- >> how much -- >> oh, that's right. what do you think? >> i think that's a great idea. [inaudible] a special room. >> i'm not sure -- [inaudible] >> yeah, okay, but, well, you know, but, i, you know, personal relationships, when john was the fbi spokensman, he was not helpful, but
's no budging on either side. >> they said there was a lot of support there. president obama said i'm sticking to my guns also. the president is warning the republicans next move will be to use the upcoming vote on the debt ceiling as leverage in the budget battle. let's listen. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> i will not play that game. >> yes. >> is that something republicans are considering, and if so, i guess how would the white house respond? although i guess we're seeing a little bit of it there. >> i think you clearly see how the president would respond. this is where the question of leverage comes in to play. he came out of the election, he says that he ran on this issue of raising tax rates on wealthy. he believes he is very much the leverage in this negotiation and so you don't see him budging. republicans see the little levers that they
. >> and there's only one way to avoid it. house republicans and president obama and his fellow democrats need to strike a deal before the end of the year on reducing the national debt to avoid that fiscal cliff. republican aid describe the tentative white house proposal this way. $1.6 trillion in revenue presented by secretary treasury secretary timothy geithner and stimulus and $400 billion in medicare and other entitlement savings. a permanent increase in the debt limit. >> so, let's get more on the standoff right now. joining us senator bernie sanders of vermont. he caucuses with the democrats. senator, first of all, congratulations on your re-election. thanks for coming in. republicans say, you know what, they'll be flexible, but the democrats have to be flexible, too, especially when it comes to entitlement spending. medicare, medicaid and even reform. are you open to any of that? >> when republicans talk about being flexible, we have not heard one definitive word to what they mean. second of all, our republican friends look up and understand that this issue of the fiscal cliff was debat
unchallenged. the truth is our national debt began to skyrocket under george bush with medicare part d fiasco. year under year under george w. bush, deficit came in at $500 billion. it is finally year of 2007-2008 president obama inherited the mess of trillion dollar annual deficits but none of this has been caused by medicare or medicaid. >> obviously entitlements. those lazy 47 percenters. >> stephanie: maria and david gregory should know better. >> yeah, they do. they're both major news anchors of major news networks. >> they're paying them lots of money to say lies. >> stephanie: the real culprits are the lack of revenue caused by the tax cuts. oh, he sent a helpful pie chart as well. >> we love pie charts. >> we love pie. >> stephanie: i love pie charts and graphs. the military security -- >> pie charts ala mode. >> stephanie: responsible for more than half the remaining spending or the $1.3 trillion. if david gregory would correct guests american public would know what the main drivers are. >> who would be i
the footage of durbin and boehner, i thought it was footage from the debt ceiling argument. >> but isn't the better alternative which is to see all the tax cuts he e s expire? >> how will he pass the massive obama tax cut without the house? >> i'm assuming they'd want to have a big tax cut, right? >> no. >> they would sit on their hands post-january 1st and say nothing? >> do you think republicans are so stupid in the house they don't see that move coming and say, you know what? you go ahead and you try to pass your tax cut through harry reid's senate, and we'll pass our tax cut through the house. and good luck. >> so they would just rather have everyone's tax -- i'm shock that that would be the end result. >> harry reid would rather have it his way or nobody's way? >> no, i'm saying you can negotiate in these flex three weeks about this package of tax cuts. >> i don't mean this to be directed towards you -- >> but here it comes. >> -- no, i'm just saying generally, there is such an arrogance in the media since the president won. they think that these house republicans are -- >> have n
obama's going to speak to the business round table today about the ongoing fiscal cliff talks. boeing ceo jim mcnearney says members want a balanced solution in debt issues, including meaningful and comprehensive tax and entitlement reforms. well, you're not going to get that. anyway -- sorry, jim. we're going to be watching facebook stock today. the company will join the nasdaq -- got to watch it. i'm trying to rise. trying. the nasdaq 100 -- >> sinking, sinking -- >> like a snake. replaces tech firm emphasis, which is moving the listing to the big board. and let's get a check on the markets which are indicated higher today up about 50 points. overseas, let's check out asia and europe. there's a -- .4%. >> had a big move. >> yeah. big move on the hang seng and green arrows everywhere. let's check out europe quickly. also fractional gains there, up about a third of a point each. >>> steny hoyer is striking a conciliatory tone saying both sides will need to bend to avoid the fiscal cliff. congressman hoyer joins us from washington with more this morning, and sir, it's great to see you.
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